What are the odds this guy can get rid of CARB?

"Nick Has an Exocet" (nickallain)
12/07/2016 at 20:03 • Filed to: None

So !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! wants to dismantle it. While I don’t necessarily agree with that sentiment, I would love to see an end to the overly restrictive and modding unfriendly California Air Resources Board (CARB).

I want to be able to register a Skyline. I want to be able to change my air intake. I want to be able to put a turbo-back exhaust on my car. And I want to be able to use generic parts.

DISCUSSION (24)

Deal Killer - Powered by Focus > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:10

Simple, move out of California. States can and will regulate pollution regardless of what the EPA does.

E92M3 > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:19

I think all 50 states should have the same requirements. It’s probably a big waste of taxpayers dollars to fund it, in comparison to the difference it makes in air quality. No one cares about the millions of leaf blowers polluting the air, or the amount of brake dust in the environment. Both of those are way bigger problems than people changing their air intakes and exhausts, or people smoking on bar patios. Maybe we could just talk California into an Amerexit (like Brexit). Hell, they’d probably vote in favor of it given the chance.

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:24

Approximately zero percent chance. Dismantling the EPA would not affect CARB at all since it does not rely on the EPA to exist.

jimz > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:26

I would love to see an end to the overly restrictive and modding unfriendly California Air Resources Board (CARB).

SoCal exists in a basin, so pollutants collect there and aren’t easily cleared away by things like wind. I don’t know how old you are, but CARB exists because of shit like this:

Kinja'd!!!

smog is not fog. it’s a haze of things like ozone and nitrogen oxides which are irritants to soft tissues. they cause burning sensations in your eyes and lungs, and make it difficult for you to, you know, breathe.

I want to be able to register a Skyline. I want to be able to change my air intake. I want to be able to put a turbo-back exhaust on my car. And I want to be able to use generic parts.

Sorry, but “breatheable air” trumps your silly little wants.

MarchUntoTorment > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:30

Air pollution regulations exist for a damn good reason, as anyone who’s ever been to South-East Asia will tell you.

That said, the regulations should definitely be standardised, and I’m in favour of allowing looser regulations for enthusiasts but not manufacturers (provided that the gov’t could find a way to prevent manufacturers from going down that loophole).

Sovereign, Purveyor of Coupes > jimz
12/07/2016 at 20:34

Because a very small handful of people importing cars that didn’t meet our crash regulations is going to make an impact right?

Would you like to talk about the pollution from diesel shipping boats?

Or how we continue to support an economy run by borderline slave labor and no pollution regulations?

If you buy things made in China to save a few bucks, you have no right to whine about a few enthusiasts modifying their exhausts.

Nick Has an Exocet > jimz
12/07/2016 at 20:36

I’m not suggesting we get rid of emissions regulations. It’s just silly to say “you can’t have a turbo-back exhaust even if it passes smog because the manufacturer hasn’t paid it’s dues to the state”.

I haven’t been here long enough to see that but I’ve been to Asia so I’m first-hand aware of the issues.

Nick Has an Exocet > MarchUntoTorment
12/07/2016 at 20:38

Yeah, I’ve been to South-East Asia. During the forest haze fires no less.

50 states, 1 set of regulations, enthusiasts need to pass smog, manufacturers need to behave. You can’t tell me that you’d be better off spending time regulating cold air intakes than making sure VW isn’t cheating.

Nick Has an Exocet > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
12/07/2016 at 20:39

Oh, I’m more referring to a groundswell of deregulation ultimately being what does it in.

f86sabre > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:40

It would be entertaining to see a Republican do something that infringes on state rights and CARB is a states rights thing. Kind of goes against what they say they are all about.

Nick Has an Exocet > Deal Killer - Powered by Focus
12/07/2016 at 20:45

Working on it.

Nick Has an Exocet > f86sabre
12/07/2016 at 20:46

Yeah I think it’s more likely that deregulation becomes a theme and that ultimately topples CARB.

Flavien Vidal > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:48

Worst is that Trump was living in NYC during the 70's. Has he forgotten really??

Kinja'd!!!

Dismantling the EPA is ridiculous to no end. Manufacturers need to follow regulations if they want to sell their cars in Europe anyway. What do they think they’ll do? Polluting cars in the US and keep on spending tons on R&D so that they can keep on selling in Europe??

As mentioned by someone else, regulations toward manufacturers should be kept as is. Sure they won’t meet the 50mpg by 2020 by who cares? At least they’ll try. And they’ll still have to try anyway otherwise they won’t be selling anything outside of the US so...

It’s just dumb.

LongbowMkII > E92M3
12/07/2016 at 20:50

How often do you use a leaf blower?

e36Jeff now drives a ZHP > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:50

It’s pretty unlikely. CA leans pretty far left, if anything dismantling the EPA might make CARB more onerous as it attempts to pick up the environmental laws that the EPA used to be enforcing.

On a side note, while he will likely be able to let some of the regulations go lax, I doubt he could kill the EPA altogether.

Nothing > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 20:54

Wee. Let’s get rid of the EPA and deregulate all sorts of stuff. I’m absolutely thrilled with the political battle I’m waging now to keep 160 damn fracking wells from being within a quarter mile of my kid’s school. It sucks seriously considering putting my house on the market because of the love Oil and Gas gets from the state government, let alone the Feds. Yeah! The cry of “energy independence!”

d15b > jimz
12/07/2016 at 21:06

This. CARB is so influential because if I recall correctly, it was created BEFORE the EPA.

facw > LongbowMkII
12/07/2016 at 21:40

Here in Houston, leaf blowers are basically going non-stop. An individual home owner may not use them much, but lawn services live by the two stroke motor.

facw > e36Jeff now drives a ZHP
12/07/2016 at 21:46

I think you are wrong on the threat here. With or without destroying the EPA, look for a push for national (very low) standards to decrease regulation that would overrule CARB. Despite the state’s rights rhetoric the Republicans are happy to override state and local government when they are in power. And for something like emissions, it probably even makes sense to do it nationally, it’s just that they will gut the standards and/or enforcement to the point the protections are meaningless.

Funktheduck > E92M3
12/07/2016 at 23:13

Actually leaf blowers are regulated. If you look at newer small engined appliances like blowers and mowers they’re capped at a certain rpm and the like. I have an older model of an engine that replaced one that died. The older one has adjustments and no epa stickers.

Funktheduck > Nick Has an Exocet
12/07/2016 at 23:15

They can’t touch CARB. Even without the EPA automakers aren’t going to make a completely separate model just for California and it’s too big of a market to ignore. Add to that, several other states in the US use CARB as their standards.

E92M3 > LongbowMkII
12/08/2016 at 00:21

Every 2 days this time of year.

MarchUntoTorment > Nick Has an Exocet
12/08/2016 at 01:06

Completely agree. Like I said, federalised emissions regulations are important, and I feel that emissions crackdowns should very much focus on manufacturers, not enthusiasts (modified cars are probably something like 0.1% of registered vehicles).

Spoon II > Nick Has an Exocet
12/08/2016 at 03:58

Do you enjoy smog? Sadly, that’s what you’ll get more of if they do dismantle CARB. California has a large population that’s fairly densely packed. I understand your reasons, but there are also reasons that they established that organization in the first place.